In Reply to: Probably is "legend" or urban myth kind of .... posted by don on June 28, 2001 at 16:30:15:
Tomorrow I'll check the other ti and see what's stamped on it.
thing. I too have never been able to verify it, but it would not suprise me if some of the very first tii's DID make it out of the factory with a snorkle nose. It is funny how such "stories" seem to exist about our little cars. Iv'e often heard of the "secret" VIN stamped under the back seat, bottom, mounting lip - but never seen it. I'm with you though, I'd like to see the real thing before I'm convinced.
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean, and I don't mean to sound rude. I've heard the rumors, but somehow nobody's ever shown me the real thing. I have seen a number of cars in California where the owner or others swears the nose was original, but upon closer inspection, it wasn't original, or in some cases, wasn't even well-installed.
It's taken me a long time to learn what to look for, and I wouldn't be suprised if some of the other folks who swear a car was original just didn't know exactly what to look for, just that it looked good.
when the first tii's were being produced the factory would often not have the "correct" non-snorkel tube front and would sometimes send out a tii with the "carb" nose. I was told this by a fellow in Germany. Have no proof, but he swears he has seen several "euro" tii's with the snorkle nose. Also, the early Alp cars used the snorkle nose to send fresh air into the airbox on the fuel injected A4 versions. FWIW. I agree, the VIN would be the real key.
I've never seen concrete proof of any "transition" models. It's always been a figment of someone's imagination and easy to spot in person.
What is the car's VIN #? That will give us a clue as to how "early" or "late" it is.
I used to live in California, where 2002s are easy to find, and it was very, very common to see a car where the front end was replaced due to collision damage. Those bumpers don't provide mych protection.
If it's a tii.....the radiator support that the radiator bolts to will NOT have a round tube section at the upper right side (engine exhaust side) of the radiator support. This round tube
was for the regular 1600/2002 air filter snorkel boot to be clamped to, and tis and tiis did not have the same air filter as the regular 2002s, so they did not have this round tube.
If the round tube is there, the front end was replaced, and with a front end from a later car with plastic grilles regardless of what the owner says.
I'm looking at a late 1971 2002 tii here in Italy that has round tails and the newer style grills (black plastic). I have no reason to doubt the owner who has documents and family photo history that shows that it has never been altered. The car is a very low mileage car. (64000 km)
Does anyone have concrete info that these "transition" models were ever built?