thanks to Outlook Messenger that seems to open the first email downloaded even sometimes the attachments like in this case. Everything seems to be shut down for now,Thanks again Lars, I had already been to Housecall and that is where I found out what virus' I had, I did the manual removal of the Badtrans, hope I got it right seem to. working on js seeker virus "e" now. getting new watch dog tomorrow, Norton missed this one, after talking to Tech they all can miss one now and then,but damn, 3!!!!ANyway thanks to all who helped and sorry to all who were infected, going to get some sleep tonight, up till 3:30 last night trying to kill this bastard,up again at 8 to try to clean it up then to work till 12 am, Sunday bloody Sunday!!