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Jimmy your wrong I have a cecotto ! (archive)

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Posted by Adrian on December 22, 2000 at 03:50:43:

In Reply to: Re: Cecotto, Evo 2 dispute and convertible stuff posted by Jimmy P on December 22, 2000 at 01:24:34:


The later m3s DID NOT come with the E2 engine, NOR did the Cecotto & Ravaglia cars.
I dont know where you heard that.
If that were the case the market value of used 90-91 engines would be through the roof.
People would be ravaging the used market of later engine for parts like the better intake cam, higher compression pistons and the lightweight flywheels.
The later cars have none of these additions.

The Cecotto / Ravaglia package was an appearance package consisting of E2 spoilers, wheels, special interior & paint with the production line engine of the later standard cars, they did not come with brake ducts, lighweight bumpers and glass like the E1 & E2, reinforcing the "appearance only" aspect of the package.(dont get me wrong, I would love to own one, just stating the facts)

The later std. cars uprating to 215HP was more a paper upgrade than mechanical.
Check the parts CD as Adwo suggested.

S14s have engine codes, these codes mean something, take a look at Justin Bedard's website <<< http://www.artglenn.com/bmwm3/home.html >>> in there it lists all the S14 engine codes, you will see the real E2 engine came only in the 501 "real" E2 cars.

For further confirmation pick up Jeremy Walton's "Unbeatable BMW", look at page 411, it explains alot of how the later cars got their "magic" HP increase to 215. Nothing internal was different. The later engines had different airbox and different Motronic,,, same intake cams, no ex. cam gear, no lightweight flywheel, no 11:1 pistons.

The early 195/200 hp cars had the "071" Motronic, the later 215 HP cars had the "091" Motronic, while the E2 cars had the "090" Motronic.

Do you see the 90-91 cars beating the early 88-89 cars,,,no,,, why,,, because thay have the same engine. A real E2 would beat a std car. All of us with early cars would be at a huge disadvcantage to guys with later cars,,, and we are not.
HTH
Jimmy P.


Jimmy,

I have an 89 Cecotto and can CONFIRM a number of things I do have all of the lightweight glass and so does Paul's Cecotto. The glass sounds different when tapped and looks thinner in side windows with the window down and the part numbers are THE SAME AS AN EVO II I have checked and they are theSAME as a works car I CHECKED.

The engine DOES HAVE THE FOLLOWING and I HAVE CHECKED:

48mm Throttle bodies, EVO II intake air box, the 264 degree inlet cam etc.

I am told by those who have stripped Cecotto Engines that they DO have higher compression pistons and they DO have the lighter flywheel. My car DOES (AGAIN CHECKED) the 3.15 rear diff.

It DOES have the lighter full plastic bootlid and I am about to see if it comes with the lightweight bumper supprts (Hit a rabbit).

The later cars DO come with the 215hp engine and that includes the cam, 48mm throttle bodies and other engine mods. If you order new inlet rubbers BMW only now sell the EVO III / II rubbers which are seen a s the later rubbers and will be incorrect for earlier cars 46mm.

Let's be realistic about power another 20hp is worth having but will not feel like another 100...
My car also has a 3.15 diff which will reduce andy real davantage of 15hp on my car. I have recently removed the cat with a new centre section. I didn't notice another 5hp....

My chassis numner is AE40835 and my car came with full black leather and black dash (All the books talk about silver dash/ side bolsters and half leather, I have only seen one of 5 Cecotto's with this trim !!) Jimmy don't always believe what you read.... !

Hope this helps

Adrian

<<< But the later std M3`s did come with the Evo II engine so you could therefore say it is the std engine the Cecotto has. It is not the std < 1989 M3 engine though. The late `89 and all the `90 STD M3 cars had the Evo II engine as std but with a cat.
Please see image below. The Cecotto does have the Evo II engine with a cat. The image is from an article in BMW car magazine some time ago.
Darren M >>>

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