Rogerj, Um the reason I have written "usable" spacers is because they are not the expensive hubcentric ones that everyone recommends using. I, like you, didn't quite have the money for the H&R spacers when I got the wheels so I ran down to my local HotRod shop and picked up a set of universal spacers thinking that I'd only use them until I could afford the other ones. I think I only paid about $45.00 for the complete set of 4. They are like 7/16" or 9/16" , I can't remember exactly but I used the ones that was closest to 15mm. Since I didn't notice any obvious balance problem while using them I decided to keep that $200.00 and use it on something else. You will definitely have to get the longer lug bolts though, no way around that but there only about $50.00 from Turners. I've checked the torque several times since installation and it's never changed. They are kind of a bitch to install without the rings and I would not recommend using them on the track but street use seems to be O.K. - Hope this helps...