Has any one ever delt with these morons? if you havn't do not try. They have by far the crappiest customer sevice ive ever experienced. I called them on 3 occasions, on 3 different days. Each time they took my number and said they would call right back, none of the times did they. I wrote a email to there manager. He said he would personaly call me and make sure i got my order placed. He never did. Apparently they hire retards from the stone age that don't know how to operate a telephone. In any case, if you want to avoid frusteration, avoid CEC wheels.