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Here's my idea (LONG) (archive)

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Posted by VJ on June 17, 2000 at 16:26:36:

In Reply to: Re: Pulling a fast one on insurance company posted by Kurt.G on June 17, 2000 at 15:52:52:

Like i might have mentioned earlier. I have a 31 y/o cousin with one firebird, one VR4, and a toyota camry registered in GA. He lives with his parents at home in NY..if he ever made a claim, he can simply say that he is visiting mommy and daddy.

All his mail goes to his relatives house in GA and so do registrations, he also goes down to GA every year for inspections. although, GA is lax with inspections and they mail him stickers.

I agree that trying to pull a fast one on the insurance company wont work and they will do ANYTIHNG to get out of paying a claim. IT will be shady and from what i know its a bit of a gray area. WIth my luck someone will run into me and i will be screwed because i wont be able to justify my being in NY while im registered in NC, visiting parents works but on multiple cases?

OBviously i cannot tell the insurance company of my intentions directly as you guys pointed out. They wont go for it, however, an aLLSTATE rep told me i should do this. OF course she wont give this to me in writing so i can use it when i get into an accident. no question. Also, they cannot justify losing premiums to another insurance agent down in charlotte...

At the moment my problem is that im going to college in GA, add that to the mix. since my fmaily has 3 cars, they will put me on one of the cars full time as a driver there by charging close to 4G a year. ordinarily, a student can become part time driver or less...since he or she is out of the home and away from the cars for 2/3 of the year. I tihnk i will only pay the insurance or transfer the ownership to another relative in this state.. This is legal according to NYS DMV and between immediate family there is no tax either (uncle, brother, ...).

This is not my idea. I do not wish to have big hassles when someone runs into me or something, its more of my parents way of escaping the recent increase in premiums. I told them to stop it and we ll just pay it. they seemed to accept it for now.

Also one more thing, im not a little daddy's boy (Check the bottom of the 3 series forum). I simply live at home and go to college, the car is mine, i pay the insurance as well. Also, its not an E31 its an E36 M3. I simply posted here to avoid the immaturity of the E36 board, and as i predicted, I got my answers, Kurt was very helpful and i did not have to deal with flames and insults. Thanks vewry much

VJ
: Paul, VJ et.al. :-)

: There is one proper and legally acceptable method and manner that will accomplish the wishes of VJ.

: It clearly lies in the hands of his insurance agent. If VJ tells his insurance agent the truth, that he hates his insurance rates, that he is thinking of getting other insurance, that he is thinking of or planning on leaving the area, that he has a cousin, uncle, grandpa etc. living in another area that has cheaper insurance rates, that he is going to be visiting or staying with this relative for a time, that the time spent there has not been finally determined, that he wants to make sure that he is properly covered by all the necessary provisions as required in that area where his attentions now lie and that he wants to know if his agent will approve a move of his insurance under those conditions, knowing that he may decide not to go there, then if his agent agrees that it's within his companys requirements and and the agent approves the change is base location of the policy under those circumstances, then it is a legal and proper transaction for VJ.

: If the insurance agent agrees that he has been properly infomed of the situation and that as his agent he agrees that it is a legal and proper situation in which the agent can properly move the base address on the policy by listing the new area as the base policy but showing two or three other addresses as combined usage areas, then it has become a legal and proper request and transition initiated by the insurance agent and is thus legally bound under those circumstance by the insurance company, therefore protecting VJ.

: If the company decides later for whatever reason that they don't like or no longer approve of the situation created and approved by their liscensed agent then they must notify the agent to notify the insured and give him the normal 30 days to change his policy accordingly or find other insurance.

: All these moves are proper and legal moves and should be considered as such. If you properly inform your agent of your thoughts and your intentions and your options even though your decision is not finalized or sure, your agent then has a legal responsibility to work with you based upon your past record with the company and the possibility that you may or may not move from location to location as the need or desire arises in your life.

: These are legal and proper approaches to your insurance coverage and if your agent being fully advised of your intentions, decides to change provisions or base qualifying factors of your policy and decides to continue to offer you coverage, that is an agents perogative and you as the insured have satisfied your legal responsibility in the matter.

: There is an old saying in the legal profession as told me by a few different relatives and friends both young and old in the legal profession, (one a highly acclaimed judge). It's not whats right or wrong that is the determining factor under the law, "It is whats legal or illegal that is the determining factor of the law"!

: I think that most of us try to do whats right in life, but at times, and I am sure that all of us can attest to this, we much too often find that the requirments of our lives are thrown in our faces clearly against what is right and wrong and instead are controlled by the legal requirements of the situation however inane the reasoning may be. Then we are forced to change the law. That is the way our legal process works.

: In this simple insurance case we could argue for hours over whether or not it is right or wrong that VJ would or should or could change his base location for his insurance coverage. But, the legal and governing factor involved is simply "that he can do whatever he wants to do as long as he does it within the legal system that has been established for insuring a person". That system is set up and designed so that any person must go to an agent. He must tell the agent the truth to the best of his ability concerning what he wants and needs for insurance coverage. Then the agent upon hearing this information must make a decision as the legal representative of his company, whether or not and how to insure this person with his company.

: If VJ or anyone has told the agent the truth about how he feels, his disatisfaction, his intentions, his possibilities, his indecisions and clearly his desires for insurance etc. and the agent decides after hearing all of this that he feels that his company will continue to insure him with a base location change, then VJ has done nothing illegal, neither has the agent. If the company later wants to change the agents decision that is a matter that is legally and directly between the company and the agent, and the insured (VJ) is affected only by the final decision as long as he is properly notified and given proper time to find other insurance.

: In case anyone is curious, I am not a lawyer nor an insurance agent. However, this information was at one time a direct and essential part of some thorough investigation I had to do for a particular project I was working on and I was left no choice but to dissect this particular area of insurance coverage as it pertains to the legal rights of the insured.

: I hope this has been of some help.
: Kurt.G




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