Phil, I'm confused also, all I said was I was going to try your instructions to see if I have the feature in my car, which I doubt. When I push the timer all I get are numbers, nothing else. I am also going to try the instruction Derek gave sayign to push timer and temp at the same time. However, I can't do any of the tests right now as I am out of town and away from my car. I'll let you know when I get back if any of it works. Thanks, Kurt