Well for your information , I didn't buy the car for racing like I said in my original msg. I worte that i don't expect too mutch from the car bacause of the wehgt and the fact that it's a v12 doesn't make me very brave when racing. But I guess your the fucking Moran because you cant eavin read. About not knowing BMM's , I don't like the Z 3 , it's a ugly little car that I ha`te to be frank and when i hate a car I also don't want to hear or read anything about it so I never care. That day I was driving on the road and came across the M version that I never was intrested in and found it amusing fir the first time so I thought to my self : " I'll ask the friendly people on club31 about it " never knowing that I would have to explain to a moran like you my whole life and what BMW i know about and what BMW I wouldn't have cared if it was never made. But I guess some people are just reading threw these follow-ups looking for ways to make fun of every-one without eavin being able to read. So I think all that reading about all the BMW's dammaged your reading maybe>? By the way about the other cars you started writing about: I'm from europe as you (might have noticed by now) at that means I get to ride cars that are amoung the fastest and best of theirs series. The Subaru Impreza I already have and use for racing, the nissan 300 ZX I also have and use for racing, The porsch 911 C I also have and use for racing but the 8 is just for enjoying every moment and pretending to race cars I hate to make them crash it : ) \ By the way don't call me any more words again Nick