In Reply to: I get it -- you're just trying to make excuses. posted by Joey on September 17, 1999 at 10:38:38:
As a VERY happy JC chip owner, I don't really care one bit if it increases HP or Torque. I've never had my car on a Dyno, but I can tell you that the improvements in driving pleasure are worth every penny. The chip, done by itself:
1. Improved throttle response significantly, easily noticeable. My Wife commented immediately after driving the car even though she did not know I changed anything. It was actually intended to be a secret UUC upgrade but the results caued me to get busted.
2. Totally eliminated the flat spot between 2000-3000RPM with the factory programming.
3. Increased gas mileage by .7MPG
4. Eliminated the slight stumble on Clutch engagement with the AC compressor on. Also made the AC compressor clutch engagement more transparent.
5. Made the car "feel" faster, which is good enough for me for daily driving.
Is there more HP, maybe. But who cares? I have no real interest in knowing that I can get through the 1/4 mile in .5 sec less or not. The car just drives better. And it drives enough better that the improvement alone is worth the price.
And, oh yeah. It is rare that any product gets the rabid following that the Landshark has gotten for his software. It would be pretty damn strange to get this much independent support and recommendation if the product didn't work as claimed. You cannot extrapolate the same result for JC's software as for others. That's like saying "All" sedans corner at .83G because a (insert brand here) sedan was tested to corner at .83G. The only way to know is to properly test the actual JC programming.
'93 525i, Sharked, BL/ss'd, H&R + Bilsteins
BMW CCA (Boston)
: They tested it, and it didn't have any improvements. And now you even admit your chips don't work on the newer cars. Your excuse does not jive here.
: : : Don't you think Car and Driver tested the same car on the same dyno? If the barometric pressure changed so drastically, it would be sunny one day and rainy the next.
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: : : : While it would be nice to kick the competition while they are down, let's be fair.. the cars that were tested were OBD-II vehicles, and as I've tried to explain about 1E6 times to people... You cannot "just dyno" OBD-II cars.. if you do, you have to dyno same car, same day, same dyno. This is due to environmental adaption which is much more agressive in the 96+ BMW's than in the older ones preceding them.
: : : : I can't comment on what Dinan or APE chips do, but I can and will comment that my chips work.. they've been tested, not only by me, but also by your fellow car owners. They increase smoothness, add HP and Torque (you really can't add one without the other!) remove speed limiters, and raise rev limiters to optimize shift points.
: : : : SO, don't go and tar everyone with the same brush, because you'd be VERY wrong.
: : : : Jim