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Re: THIS IS CRAZY!! (archive)

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Posted by Allan on March 30, 2000 at 22:27:18:

In Reply to: THIS IS CRAZY!! posted by Jon S. on March 30, 2000 at 15:43:31:

: "Bribe and a cover-up"????

: You're nuts!

: BMW released three engines into the US that were already in use and sucessful in Europe the Nikasil 530, 540 and M3. They had no clue that the Gasoline in the US sucked. The problem is because of the high sulfur content in some US gasolines. Not all US Cities have this problem- California has Much better gas than Georgia, partly for emissions. But the problem is not a "defect" in the BMW engine, it's the gas. Granted, BMW could have researched this ahead of time and saved us all a big headache, but the engine itself is not defective. Ever noticed some people have no idea what this is all about and they have a Nikasil block with 110k miles on it?

: I wouldn't admit to a problem that was not mine either.

: "6yr/100K miles is quite generous. With most other luxury car makes, if your engine survives 4yrs/50K miles then you're on your own."

: That's right it's generous! And the kicker is that this never went to Recall! BMW offered it because they recognized the problem and came up with a fair solution.

: What other car dealer is going to give you a new engine because you "lost confidence" in the one you have?

: Too much wining about this. If you buy a used car, RESEARCH IT! If you bought one New, you can get it fixed for free, FOR THE LAST 6 years! What do you people want!

: You either have the problem or you don't, if you do- it's taken care of, if you don't and are so worried about it that you can't cope, sell the damn car or fix it yourself!


Jon, with all due respect: I agree that BMW has responded well so far to the Nikasil block problem. But it just isn't a fuel problem. All other cars use the same high-sulfur fuel with no adverse consequences. Only the Nikasil engine corrodes, becomes unusable and can't be repaired. Certainly it's not the customer's fault that this happens! While it's not correct to call the extended warranty a bribe or a cover-up, just consider my point of view as a customer. I didn't ask for a warranty extension when I bought the car new, and I didn't accept agree to the extension or any implied limitation on BMW's responsibility beyond the extended period and mileage when BMW unilaterally extended the warranty in 1995. I therefore do not think BMW is in a strong position if it were to resist claims for future block problems beyond the warranty limits. And by the way, "loss of confidence" is certainly not the official basis for in-warranty replacements. My confidence in my 530i is lost, but as the engine continues to pass the pressure distribution and idle quality tests, the dealer was not willing even to perform the leakdown test, let alone undertake a short block replacement while the warranty was still in effect. I don't think this constitutes whining. I have a car which, fine as it is, really isn't marketable with its original engine at anything like a normal bluebook price. I can't sell it without incurring the cost of engine replacement, and if I keep it, I'm facing the prospect of having to reach into my pocket for that cost, including dealer profit on the parts and labor. The ultimate irony comes when I try to trade it to a BMW dealer and am told its value is impaired by the block problem. (Excuse me, the gas problem.) It's not a pretty picture.


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