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Re: Yes, it's worth it... (archive)

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Posted by Joe Ording on November 21, 2000 at 16:56:02:

In Reply to: Yes, it's worth it... posted by BMW Newbie (1badgmc) on November 21, 2000 at 16:11:55:

I wouldn't say I'm overly-opinionated, just trying to be rational. I find it hard to believe that lowering a pickup doesn't diminish it's load-bearing ability. You ask, why do we lower Bimmers? Because our cars are great handlers from the factory, and lowering them accentuates that. They are designed to handle well. Pickups were never meant to handle like slot cars, and no amount of modification will make a truck handle as well as a stock E34.

I'm not condemning you for driving a truck, or even a modified one. I do, however, condemn the person who stole the center caps off my wheels the other day. However, modified trucks are rather useless. They may handle better than a stock truck, but they're still far off the pace against a car. Lowered trucks can't haul as much as a stock one so that advantage is reduced if not completely lost, vs. a car. Trucks are cheap, but E34s are a real bargain. Lowered trucks are no more capable off road than any Subaru. They have no advantage over any car when large wheels with low-profile tires are fitted. Trucks are cheap to maintain, but so are Honda Accords.

The only real reason you've produced for modifying your pickup is the 'individuality' of it. If it's that important to you, perhaps you could paint it pink. You don't see pink cars that often, hence increasing the individuality.

I anxiously await pics.


I think I'm being misunderstood. Let's see if I can make this as short and simple as possible. No more big words.

Trucks are good at being trucks. Lowering them, putting 20" wheels on them, etc. compromises their truckness. They still can't hold a candle to most cars as far as performance, comfort, and safety, and they suck as trucks now, too. So, I ask you, is the way a lowered truck looks really worth the compromise? There is a huge number of alternatives, that most people would probably be much happier with, except the current truck fad is blinding them. People have a 'herd mentality' that causes them to want to imitate everyone else.

Anyway, I'm not trying to offend, only enlighten. Apparently, it's lost on you.

Now that you put it that way, art isn't supposed to be rational, and, in my own way, I am being an artist by personalizing my trucks. This is true. On the same note, those of us who personalize our Bimmers by lowering them and slapping on some rims and different lights and the like are also being irrational.

I am now unoffended by Joe's "irrational" comments but still offended by the fact that he's putting me and all other truck owners down. Oh well. He'll get over it, as will I.

At least I know that you and the majority of the people on this board aren't offended by the fact that I own a BMW and a couple of *gasp!* American-made trucks.

Jason, the Irrationally Artistic 1badgmc
'91 525i
'91 GMC pickup
'84 GMC Jimmy

The way my lowered truck looks, rides, handles, hauls loads, and does everything else is totally worth it and just fine by me. It's not going to pull .95g on the skidpad, by any means, but it handles 10 times better than the stock suspension. Why do we lower Bimmers? I know my reason for wanting to lower my Bimmer is the more aggressive look and better handling. Same for the truck. With the springs and setup I used on the rear, I can haul just as much now as I could before. How does that make it suck as a truck? Is it because I can't go off-road with it? Well, I never intended to and never did before I did the modifications. Yes, there are alternatives that "most people" would be happier with, but you see, I am not "most people." Obviously a person who owns a lowered pickup and a BMW is not quite your average consumer. I owned this truck before the craze started and started customizing it before a lot of the fads started taking off. There were no 20" wheels on trucks. 18's were almost unheard of. A lowered fullsize wasn't an everyday thing. I was one of the first around here, but I guess I'm still part of the "herd mentality" just because I did it. Like I've said before, I originally bought the truck because it was cheap, maintenance is cheap, and it's easy to work on. For what I could afford to spend at the time, a truck is the vehicle of my choice.

I'm not trying to offend or enlighten. I'm just telling it how it is. I had some friends that were overly-opinionated when they were your age. I understand how it is. I'm just trying to get the point across that everyone is entitled to drive whatever they want. They shouldn't be condemned just because they own a truck.


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