In Reply to: my 2 cents.. posted by Dragos on December 11, 2000 at 20:01:14:
Also, the concepts that BMW has been flashing around lately are awful. The Z9 is one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen, and I shudder whenever somebody says it 'hints' at the next 7. Also, a while back somebody posted links to the proposed X3 and X7, both of which were not pleasant. If any of the design these cars demonstrate make it into an actual production BMW, I'd be embarrased to own one.
A lot of people on this board give the E39 a bad rap. In my opinion, it is probably the best all around car money can buy. With it you get an extremely comfortable, high quality car, with performance that ranges from adequate (528), to impressive (540), to Hammer of God (M5). Nothing can really compete, including the beloved E34. However, the E39 is so competent no matter what it's doing, it seems almost like a surgical instrument. It's performance is so effortless that any boob can flog it and impress. That's the E34's trump card, if we were to compare E34 M5 vs. E39 M5. The E39 outperforms it, no question. But as much as the E39 is like a surgical instrument, the E34 is a musical one.
Anyway, that was more like my $6.50's worth, so I'll stop.
There were some other recent comparisons where BMW didn't win. M3 vs S4 (last year C&D) comes to mind (S4), E46 M3 vs RS4 vs 911 :-) - AutoCar - (Porsche)(duh) and so on.
That still doesn't mean anything. A car is rarely the same thing to two different people so who the hell is a mag to tell us which is better. (I'm kind of biased against auto rags since I've seen MT Car of the Year being awarded to PT Cruiser).
They still do best what others try to imitate - and that is building an elegant athletic car. Apparently the last M3 couldn't avoid the boy-racer look and that's somewhat disappointing but it is a very capable car.
True, they do show (still) the heritage, but at some point I think their awesome success here will spoil their vision. I have seen _too_ many BMWs around to call them an enthusiast's car anymore (unless someone's willing to call everybody an enthusiast..). I have heard too many discussions about cupholders and stereos and I saw only a few cars at the local driving schools.
The point I'm trying to drive is that all this hype will ultimately (it happened already) make BMW an even more customer (the _wrong_ type of customer, that is) driven company. They'll always look BMWish (will they ? I hate the upcoming small already) but it will be harder and harder to find light, powerful cars that do not cost two times what an Audi does.
You say we'll almost certainly find ourselves in a new BMW - I don't think so. I don't quite really like what's now for sale and the future plans are murky or remote at best.
I wish they would start building replicas - a 3.0CSL with E34 M5 technic would be a dream. Or a revived M1.. And it won't upset anyone - it's not like BMWs were ever such collection cars as Jaguars, Alfas or Benzes are (collectors always frown when replicas are made - spoils the value)..
I would say a crisis would bring back the true BMW spirit : no more luxobarges, crappy dealers or arrogant service advisors. So I welcome the ugliest of the Lexi - should people turn over to it over BMW - good riddance !
(Please do not waste your time on economy 101s as I know this is not really good - but in some way, it is..)
Dragos 93 535i 5sp, playful in the snow <- among the last of the truly great BMWs.
93 535i 5sp, playful in the snow <- among the last of the truly great BMWs.