If you think the auto's are overpriced then you will be disapointed about the 5 speed. They are usually $2500~$5000 more then the autos out here in California. average price for 100k car auto: $9k manual $14k I consider some of the best deals to be the high mileage cars. Ive seen some really good 150k cars in the 6k range. patrick 89 535ia