I said I take my *car* to the *carwash*, they use I dunno some kind of soap and wax, and since they don't like to mess with brakedust, I usually do the wheels right after, I clean the brake dust off, and then use something that's known among the motorcycle crowd as a Pretty Neat Thing, lemon Pledge on the wheels to help keep the brake dust from accumilating so quickly. This is CARwash, not DISHwash-er, LOL!!