In Reply to: Audi fan: Have 98 A4, getting 00 S4 in November posted by rickp on October 25, 1999 at 01:58:49:
You ignore one fairly key detail. The M3 in C&D was defective. It was the slowest e36 M3 ever tested. The M3 stock is quite a bit faster then the S4.
In the rain, the value of AWD is over stated. Since speed is not limited by your ability to accelerate but your tires ability to grip. Tires grip equally well in a AWD & RWD. Also the S4 is FWD biased (ie a FWD car with AWD added as a "tack on"). It's also heavier and lacks perfect balance. These factors would do more to hold it down in speed then the possibile intervtion of ASC would in the M3. Remember all the ASC can do is keep the wheels from slipping. not rob the car of speed.
Of course I'd bet if we set a limit of 50k to be invested in a "new" '99 m3 (use msrp) and a new '00 S4 the S4 would with equal amounts of money spent be able to at least match the M3 in almost all areas and exceed it in many. It is a better buy.
: I agree with most of what Bjorn says, except:
: 1. S4 was faster than the M3 in C&D, but they have idential 5-60 speeds so I bet they're about equal.
: 2. For day-to-day driving S4 will be faster b/c it has lower peak torque with the quattro soaking up small road perfections. Peak torque (258 ft-lbs) is at 1850 RPMs! As a result, the S4 does 0-30 in 1.8 seconds!!!
: 3. In the rain, traction control takes away power to keep you from slipping. Quattro adds power! The S4 will leave the M3 way, way behind......
: 4. The BMW is a better handling car hands down! It's lighter, RWD, and has a 50-50 balance, so it's a "purer" sports car. Although...while the M3 corners significantly better, you can get back on the gas faster with the S4 because of the traction of quattro.
: 5. You hear the engine on the M3 more and it sounds pretty dang cool! Although the S4's twin turbos sound cool as well...........
: 6. I think the S4 has the edge in luxury (M3's steering wheel doesn't even telescope, doesn't have xenons, nav?, etc.). Most auto rags state that Audi now exceeds BMW in fit and finish.
: I agree with Bjorn, the S4 is a much more modern looking car. Although I think the 328Ci is slightly better looking than the S4.
: Audi cabins just look more luxurious than BMWs overall. While the 3 series cabins are getting better, they still look kind of plasticky, IMO. I've sat both in a 2000 328Ci (which I seriously considered buying) and in a 2000 S4. The S4's cabin wins hands down.
: 7. You can tune (just add an ECU chip) an S4 to 325 hp or more for under 1K!
: In sum, I would say that the S4 and most other Audis (except the TT) are more about luxury/sport, while the M3 and most BMWs are about sport/luxury.
: It depends on what you want. Apples and oranges!