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In Reply to: Chat With My Local German Dealer.(long) posted by Richard Smith on December 11, 1999 at 15:28:22:
0-62 in 5.2, is 0-60 in ~4.8/4.9...and that is conservative. Even looking at the AVERAGE acceleration (~12mph/sec) that 2.6mph difference equates to a good 0.2-0.25s difference (in actuallity quite more becaues the acceleration @60 is much less than average (2nd gear))
I still don't understand the quibbling about a few 10ths of a second, especially since most of us would be hard pressed to do 0-60 runs with a spread less than 0.2sec. To quote the mags: "These numbers are for comparison purposes only"
Although, look at the way BMW does it. The data in July on the M5 said 0-60 in 5.1 (on bmw.com) now it says 4.8, and C&D got 4.7.
If we take what everyone has said/guessed
a 0-60 time of 4.8 seems reasonable, especially considering that @ 350hp the vehicle will have the same power/weight ratio as the M5. Assuming a similar transmission/rear end ratios (given the fact that the two cars differ by only ~15% in horsepower) the cars should perform similarly...limited by the traction properties (the M5 should win here, for a given rear tire size, it has more weight over the drive wheels)
However, if the torque curve for the e46m3 motor is significantly different, or the motor has a significantly different redline (I doubt this, the M5 readline is ~7400, and the new motor should be similar) the cars could perform very differently
Overall I say 4.8s 0-60 (thats ~5.1-5.2 0-100kph)
if is 5.0 instead of 4.8, its not going to change my mind. Given the fact that e46 328ci is ~50-100% stiffer than the corresponding e36 328is, I think we can anticipate another winner, and I'll be waiting right there
cheers,
marc
: Im a 328ci owner living and working in Hamburg, Ive had my car about a month now, love it but want a lot more power.
: My dealer rings me last Thursday and says that they are now taking names for official orders and do I want to play? Well ah yes!!
: He has no official brochure yet but expects there to be one around February time, I will scan and post as soon as is available. This is information that he gave me, I dont know if he was talking crap or what, personally I doubt it but any way..he said that Munich was still undecided as to the final engine size and that it would either be for Europe 3.5 or possible 3.7 litres, producing around 350bhp with a 0/100kmh (62mph) time fractionally quicker than the E36 time of 5.5, he thoght 5.2 as being possible, but 4.7 etc to be a little optimistic. He also indicated that as Porsche no longer had a limiter of 155mph on its cars (ie 911 range)then both BMW and Mercedes were going to follow suit and remove the top end limiter which again he estimated will be around 285kmh (180mph). He said that the M3 that you guys get in the states will not be the same engine performance wise as the European model, he talked of noise and emmision problems being the reason for this, I dont know how this compares to other info that you guys have recieved? I mean do you have the M5 over there? if so I dont see why you shouldnt get the full blown M3? He expects me to get my car (I will be one of the first in Europe) in either August or September, (I told him to forget delivery to Hamburg, Ill be in Munich when it comes off that line waiting!!!)
: By way of a side line he said that there would be no 4 door version as there was with the E36, that the M5 would NOT be made available as a coupe! and that the new 8 series would be getting a 5 litre V12 engine. There was also some talk of 6 series revival though details were sketchy.
: Well thats what he said soooo!! the long 9 month wait starts for me!!
: As always if your reading this in the UK and want to buy a bimmer in Germany then mail me for details (FREE!!) of a very friendly dealer!!