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Re: Crippled PTG M3 GT3 (archive)

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Posted by Bill on July 26, 2000 at 07:10:20:

In Reply to: Crippled PTG M3 GT3 posted by M on July 26, 2000 at 02:21:42:

How could be be accused of cheating? He is a driver and the “probl;em” was a touch too much fuel capacity, which has absolutely no bearing on the race. Moreover, as someone else pointed out yesterday, exactly the same thing happened to Porche recently. I think the “cheating” claim is simply some guy who didn’t like the comment Stuck made (with a huge grin as he said it), that the Porsche is a car for ladies.

It doesn’t look like the same restrictions remain for the E46 M3 they are racing. For example, the weight of this car is listed as 2420 lbs (can you imagine?) and it has a 6 speed gearbox. Here are the specs:

CHASSIS TYPE Steel tubeframe
WEIGHT 2420lbs
WHEELBASE 107.5in.
TRACK 59.3in. F/59.2in. R
SUSPENSION McPherson strut with coil springs F/central link with coil springs R
STEERING Rack and pinion power
TIRES Yokohama racing radials
290/640-18 F/290/680-18 R
BRAKES ventilated disc, 8-piston caliper F/ventilated disc, 4-piston caliper R
ENGINE BMW inline-6
HORSEPOWER 380hp @ 8200rpm
TORQUE 290 lb-ft. @ 6000rpm
INDUCTION SYSTEM Electronic fuel injection HS 3.3 or EFI 3.1
SPARK PLUGS Bosch surface gap
TRANSMISSION Hewland 6-speed

go here to see the car:


I found an OLD article concerning the PTG M3's and how they're crippled when compared to their Porche counterparts (see article bellow). Does anybody know if they're still doing this and why they do this? What ever happened to winning a fair fight? That being said, should E46 M3 car #7 driver Hans Stuck really been accused of cheating?

Any comments, opinions, etc.

"Early performance concessions given to the BMWs later proved a
liability to the Porche contingent as the PTG cars were developed. The
tech committees were forced to re-evaluate and then rescind the
favorable weight limits given to early M3s. Whether this was a result
of superior design or hard work on the PTG's part is still open to
highly partisan conjecture in both camps.

As it stands, both cars run six cylinder engines, but the 24-valve M3s
are limited to 3.2 liters with an 8,250-rpm limit, while the 12-valve
Porches run at 3.8 liters with no rev limit. Porches can race with
6-speed sequential transmissions while the M3s are limited to 5-speed
'boxes. Most important to the Porches is tire width. The 911s are
allowed 14-inch wide rear tires while the BMWs must make do with just
12 inches. Through few of the specifications changed on this year's M3
racecars, these were all-new replacements for last year's war horses.

Under American Le Mans Series rules for '99, the Bimmers are
homologated at 2,530 pounds (120 more than '98), but the Porches can
race at 2,310 pounds. The Porches also have an aerodynamically superior
shape, which gives them a slight advantage in top speed."

-- "The Small Detail: When it comes to big wins, it's the
little stuff that snags you.", Bimmer Magazine, June
1999, By Peter Brock

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