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Posted by joe on November 19, 2000 at 13:55:50:

In Reply to: The E46 M3 is way too heavy... posted by E36/7 on November 19, 2000 at 12:44:58:

while we are "mind fucking", as andreas insightfully puts it, why not try to create some sort of quantification to quality, as we obviously have nothing better to do than this, or
argue about colors.

i am putting out the suggestion:

peak hp (which means nothing, but why not)
divided by

dollar being us dollar cost of base price of each model

remember, this is only a suggestion, and any rationale explanation as to why this would be inapplicable bullshit is entirely welcome. i didnt feel like arguing against myself this morning

i would have used some combination of torque and hp integrals over gearing mph ranges instead of peak hp but i dont have access to that.

so... anyway, here goes

original proposition
"Check these out~~~~! M3 is way too heavy. BMW should make a light-weight version. "

3412lbs - E46 M3 (3245cc Straight 6)
2.234 EE -6

3175lbs - E36 M3 (3152cc Straight 6)
2.624 EE -6 ****
3131lbs - Corvette Z06 (5665cc V8)
2.562 EE -6
<--------------- *E46M3 HERE!!!* ---------------->
3589lbs - Mustang Cobra R (5409cc V8)
1.916 EE -6
3131lbs - M Coupe (3152cc Straight 6)
1.825 EE -6 (2000 US version)
3356lbs - Viper ACR (7990cc V10)
1.837 EE -6
3395lbs - Skyline GT-R34 (2568cc Straight 6)
1.657 EE -6 ***
2919lbs - 996 C2 (3387cc Flat 6)
1.511 EE -6
3573lbs - CLK55 AMG (5439cc V8 )
1.408 EE -6
3066lbs - NSX-R (3179cc V6)
1.126 EE -6
3060lbs - F360 (3586cc V8) (
0.958 EE -6 **
3583lbs - Diablo VT6.0 (5992cc V12)
0.596 EE -6

*Data from
** Modena really is (0.654 EE -6) if you count 200k actual market price
*** R34 Skyline assuming 80k to import to US (assume 80k paying applicable taxes everywhere else) and 450hp through VERY BASIC BPU which is universally expected as 276bhp (320hp real) tuning of japanese self-regulation in the nissan actually restricts the breathing to an almost harmful extent
**** US version used vehicle in 2000 prices

im sorry to say the porsche 911 turbo didnt rank very high up there, (somewhere between NSX and diablo). I think a subjective handling + others rating would serve as some kind of hp modifier, but i didn't feel like doing that. the nsx would have rated higher, as would the m3, and the skyline as well. Z06 would probably not be as high, though it is a good buy

Flame on sucka's!!!

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