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Re: BUT WAIT (archive)

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Posted by Sean on April 27, 2000 at 12:52:02:

In Reply to: BUT WAIT posted by M3 on April 27, 2000 at 11:41:27:

...what you are not seeing is, that there is very little difference between the two kits...intakes are not rocket science (no software was used). The test was done fairly and BPG's machine works fine...bottom line.


: If there was something wrong with their dyno, then wouldn't it effect the numbers on the ECIS product aswell????

: : Tim's comments were pretty much right on...the materials and tolerances and so forth. The materials are pretty much the same as the prototype turbo shield we sent Tim. What he didn't see was our billet adapter and well constructed mandrel bent inlet pipe. These pieces are very well made and work great!

: : Our euro shield is very much like our other shields, except that it is a little larger on the right side to add strength to the shield. see pic
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: : ">Picture 1 : : : The software for the our euro kit is provided by AA and works well...see dyno sheet.
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: : : Like Tim said, this is a tremendous mod. I have taken my euro kit off and put on the regular ECIS kit with chip and the notice is still very noticable. If you go from completely stock to a euro setup, the power is awesome.

: : OT [Now about the BPG test being lawed?...nothing is wrong with their dyno, trust me.]

: : Sean

: : : Euro HFM is bigger, by nearly .5" in diameter. This allows for MORE airflow, and thus, you can add more fuel and get more power.

: : : As for the best set-up....well, that is all opinion. According to an expert in the field (to remain annoymous), the BPG dyno test was flawed, and they know it. Now, on to my opinon.

: : : I have the Jim C. intake with euro HFM on my 95 M3. I like it, it has great power and an awesome sound. I recently installed the stock intake to compare....WHAT A DIFFERENCE. Car feels like a goat pulling a cart without the euro hfm, chip, etc.

: : : I would imagine that both are similar. HOWEVER, it is up to you whom to trust with your money. That is all I will say about that!

: : : I have seen a ECIS product. It was a prototype and sent to me for evaluation. It was NOT the ECIS intake you are talking about, so I cannot directly compare the two. However, I would ASSUME that the materials used ionthe ECIS intake shield is the same as the one I tested. Maybe not. But here is my impression.

: : : The ECIS protoype was thicker than the Jim C. and appeared on the surface, to transfer less heat. Although I doubt radiant heat would raise the temp in the "shielded area" much anywayz, so that is probably a moot point.

: : : The Jim C. shield seemed to be a more flexible material, but could crack/rip it abused. but once it is in, it would be fine. The ECIS was thicker, and less bendable. It also appeard to have a metal core inbetween the layers. Good, bad, I dunno.

: : : I think each shield it probably of equal overall results...that would be to keep out the hot air and fan wash.

: : : The question comes down to this (for me). WHERE and WHO makes the software? I know that Jim was the FIRST to crack the Motronic Code and thus has the most experience with it. That is why I bought his kit/software. I have no idea where Sean (ECIS) gets his. I heard that Jim will not sell his software to ECIS. Maybe ECIS provides you with another chip. I don't know...ask!

: : : Hopefully I helped out a bit. I have heard rave reviews from people with ECIS and Jim C kits.

: : : I will tell you this diffinatively. IF you have a 95 M3 (read: 95!), definately get the EURO hfm kit. The power increase is awesome, and you will kill "chipped" 96+ M3's...I do!

: : : Good luck, Tim
: : : : Whats the difference? I see the one that was tested by BPG was a non euro version. This would lead me to believe that the non euro is better???? So the best set up is a CAIw/shield, HFM from somewhere, and chip?

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