I busted my ass making these wheels the way they are ! I got them from a guy in White Plains NY for $400.00 they had curb rash and the factory paint was peeling and it looked like he just didn't care at all about them . I sanded, sand blasted, polished, powder coated, cleared them, and custom carbin fibered the lip and they are brand new (better) I used Anthacite color for the center . A little bit of love and some imagination and you can make your old wheels better than new!!!