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Re: About spare tire......(m) (archive)

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Posted by S--K on February 02, 2001 at 12:27:12:

In Reply to: About spare tire......(m) posted by Texas M3/4 on February 02, 2001 at 12:23:45:

Thanks for sharing your experience!! I'll take your advice.



I have seen a couple people mention that the spare is also part of you crash/crumple protection. It is designed to be in during a crash and not sure implications of being out...

IMO - leave it in. Its part of the weight distribution which is near 50/50, part of crash protection, and REAL handy if you have a flat. With low profile tires many flats cannot be fixed by fix-a-flat. They fail catastrophically because of heat build-up after losing pressure. Ask me how I know.... (300 miles on a brand new tire poof- smokin. Literally.)

My comments start with >me<

Ohh, also is ASC supposed to help with this??

No. ASC will sense a wheel spin and either apply brake or limit engine power. It CANNOT overcome physics...just like other people noted.

>me< OK this may sound dumb, but when my rear end started
losing traction, weren't my rear tires spinning? At what
point can ASC no longer regain control of the car??


Man you are right on the money!!!!!!!!

1) How do I recover from this in the future????
Attend all the CCA driving schools you can. Especially any safety schools they hold. You need to re-train your instincts. Going to the brakes wasn't a good idea. Having quick hands like Juan Montoya helps as well. You counter-steered, which was correct, but I don't think you anticipated the whole car coming back the other direction. Get as much seat-time as you can.

>me< I'd really like to but I am too busy right now. Can
you advise me on how to recover if I should find myself in the same situation again? Say it's wet out and my rear end starts losing it again. What is the proper response?


2) Would stiffer springs and bigger sways help here? How about lowering the car?
No. They might have exacerbated the effect. Stiffer springs probably would have made everything happen faster :)

>me3) Do you think taking out the spare contributed to my problem??
Not significantly. It does upset the balance. I'd leave it in. I don't know why people take them out for schools.

>me< I took it out cause that thing ways a ton!!

Thanks you da man!!!
This will sound 'preachy', but don't experiment on the street. Do it in a controlled environment (i.e. safety school, driving school, autocross, etc.).


>me< Well you are correct but how many of us really, really
take this to heart?

There is a famous quote we use in our schools. I'm not sure who originally said it but when a student has an OTE, someone will ask them, "At what point during the turn did you run out of talent?"

>me< Is OTE off track experience? Just guessing.
Andy Peavy






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