My "penthing" is in a drawer of my workbench,so I use the cupholders. Lotta beefs about the cup holders,but I find them pretty good. My Nissan stainless thermo mug fits poifectly and snaps in and out of those lil' fingers v.well. Tossed the "cdholderthing" and put in the opt.regular center box thing,too. You can't let this stuff drive you crazy! Lol. BR,md