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It's not ludicrous - its experience... (archive)

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Posted by Greg Hudson (Melbourne Australia) on September 25, 1998 at 17:09:54:

In Reply to: This is going too far... posted by ///Mike G on September 25, 1998 at 09:47:05:

: I have owned 2 E36 M3's and currently an M roadster. Same driver behind all three, and I can say hands down there is no way an ///M roadster keeps up with an M3 on the track, and to even try to claim a 1.9 will is ludicrous. The stiffer M3's can be pushed much harder in the turns by skilled drivers, I will not attempt to push my roadster nearly as hard as I would push an M3. In a long race you are likely to find these letters after a 1.9: DNF. Maybe novice track guys will stay closer to each other, but experienced drivers and the pros will widen that gap even further.

G'Day Mike.
I beg to disagree with almost everything you say... I'm doing better lap times in my Z3 (unmodified except for 17'' wheels & normal road tires) than I did with my 318is, lowered, spring kit, 17'' wheels and full racing slicks.

My best lap time is only a 1/4 second slower than the best lap time of the 'fastest' M3 driver in the club (Not the writer of the article I posted). Both of us have many many laps at Winton, and can almost drive it blindfolded.

You might 'think' a 1.9 can't keep up, BUT a lot depends on the track (and the driver). 'You' might not be able to get your M Roadster up to M3 speeds, but put the M Roadster into the hands of a 'pro' and he would blow you & your M3 into the weeds figuratively speaking of course!).

Speaking from experience (as the passenger this time) one particular corner is a long left hand sweeper which tightens up at the end into a left/right chicane. With a 'pro' behind the wheel (in my car), he had us drifting in a slight 4 wheel drift at 140Kph thru the sweeper... I just about shit myself. This was a full 40Kph faster than what I had been doing, and 30Kph faster than the quickest M3. After we swapped seats, he showed me the correct line to use, and built my cornering speed up to 120Kph (10K FASTER than the M3). Even though I 'knew' the car could get thru this corner at 140K in the 'pros' hands, at 120 and with me behind the wheel, it felt like I was going to go flying off the track into the infield.

The track Geoff was talking about (Winton) is not suited to M3's because all the straights are very short - most of the track is slow (20 to 50 mph) corners. Yes, I agree, the M3 does have better suspension, brakes, handling etc. BUT most if not all of the benefits are negated by all the extra baggage (at this particular track).

We have 4 other tracks the club goes to, all with enormous long straights - at those tracks, not only can I not keep up to the M3's but I get lapped!!! (Most embarrassing).

So next time, please don't shoot the messenger... I merely posted the article written by an M3 owner who had a (possibly more experienced) 1.9 Z3 breathing down his neck all day.

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During the 2nd track session, I suggested to Geoff that he should 'follow' me this time - if he could :-) Which he did (for a while) each lap I crept further & further ahead until I had to slow down to let him catch up. By following me, Geoff used the 'lines' I was using. During the 3rd session I could not catch him - however there was slow (M5) traffic in the way which meant Geoff dissappeared off into the distance!!! BUT he was going MUCH faster than the 1st session.

Greg.




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