In Reply to: S2000 Z3 COMPARISON (OWN BOTH) posted by BreytonBMW on January 15, 2000 at 20:50:10:
For a person that put down money on a car without driving it, I would say you have some biased personal investment in the S2000 being a great car. Your buying decision could not have been made based on driving the car. I know most people own BMW's for show, while others get off having the latest toys. My brother loves having the latest toys.
I have been a long time Honda CRX owner and raced it for money growing up, and I will always love Hondas, they are solid, smooth, balanced and run on air. I have owned a 2.8 Z3 as well as my current M Roadster. "I am not going to be like many of you on here and SPECULATE" and talk about M Roadster ownership vs the S2000. I will tell you that the Z3 2.8 is a luxury car, it has wood dash and other nice things. It is quick and handles well. The M Roadster is a step up but it is harder on the driver in terms of comfort vs. the Z3 2.8. They are very different experiences. I like the Z3 1.9. It is a great handling car and fun to drive. It has many features that I like that come from the BMW parts bin.
And without owing one I can not believe you can make fun of the 1.9 without having owned one. And yes shallow chicks dig on guys in 1.9, 2.8 or any BMW. They are all the same to them, a BMW.
As an M owner, I get many people asking about my car was on sale for $22,000 used, they do not know the difference, and it is not worth the effort.
In regards to launching a car with real power, it is always a balancing act, that does not constitute a design error. I know that the S2000 has advantages to other cars. It is well designed, of course, it is from Honda. My CRX and I have taken money from cars such as Porsche and Ferrari. As you well know, when to equally good drivers race for money, it is all about the drivers willingness to kill themselves and not the car.
I have driven and raced against S2000 on our local mountain road public raceways, and it has not been a match yet. As you have pointed out "the s2000 handles better than any 1.9 or 2.8 or M, and that is a fact.Looking at new MT 70+mph in slalom and .96g skidpad truly do hint at the greatness of the Hondas handling."
I think you are overlooking one major fact, all the magazines could not get the S2000 to beat the M Roadster on a track when you put all the numbers together and form a driving system. That is a fact. That is what makes the BMW driving experience great.
I should point out that it looks like I am going to sell my E36 sedan and purchase an Audi S4 or A6 4.2 if I can afford it. I like the overall value of the cars and it is a good car for the ski trips. The Audi is not a BMW, it is a very different experience. The Honda is not a BMW, it is a very different experience. The 1.9, 2.8, M Roadster or the M3 are very different animals. All of these cars are sports cars, and that is what is cool.
I just get a little tired of the pompus taunts from the S2000ís pumped up with magazine numbers on the road. But I do love spanking them repeatedly. If I drove an S2000 I would be insecure about the M Roadster because contrary to the Honda Dealerships Salespeoples opinions, it will eat you for breakfast on the twisty or straight roads. Just my 2cents...thank you