Carl, Can you believe that we are getting hit again today!? Supposed to seven more inches before it's done! I don't know what I would have done if I hadn't gotten the arctic alpins. Terry, you almost convinced me to try it. Fortunately, the one snow fall we had last spring after I got the car was enough to convince me that a whole winter of trying the same would be a BAD idea. With the snow tires, I am fighting my way through this stuff pretty damn admirably. Maybe top down for the trip back to Green Bay for Christmas!? Maybe not.